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and people like wayne lapierre and others just found these flames. they make a lot of money doing it. it supports them politically. >> why does it work? >> i think they are preying on fears and worries and anxieties. >> is he crazy like a sfox? >> i think he's crazy like millions of the other people. i don't know if he believes this stuff. >> i think he behaves like the people who are scared. that's what i think works. by the way, the class thing is so important here. if you can convince the average guy, usually a guy in pennsylvania who is a deer hunter who once a year goes out and shoots deer. i don't do it, but fine, you do it. they go out and do it. and you say it's the elite media types t. it's the people in hollywood that make all the money. they get their kicks some other way. you've got this one little hob bee. i think it's brilliantly evil. >> it is brilliantly evil, although it's not as brilliant anymore because i don't think it's working. david is right, it does work in riling up some pockets. but i think that's what he counted on with tha
and people like wayne lapierre and others just found these flames. they make a lot of money doing it. it supports them politically. >> why does it work? >> i think they are preying on fears and worries and anxieties. >> is he crazy like a sfox? >> i think he's crazy like millions of the other people. i don't know if he believes this stuff. >> i think he behaves like the people who are scared. that's what i think works. by the way, the class thing is so important...
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you saw wayne lapierre this weekend talking on fox news, and chris wallace was the only person who i've seen really go at wayne lapierre and talk to him person to person about what the flaws in his argument are. short of that you very rarely hear them get put on the defensive in a way that makes other people cringe and perhaps their own membership think they've done this for a long time. they're going to continue to do it for a long time. they're willing to fight to the last left person. they're going to keep on doing what they do, and they've got very powerful enablers. we mentioned harry reid, he has powerful enablers on capitol hill to keep doing what they're doing. >> sam, we have less than a minute left, and you're going to stick around, but what did you think of keith ellison's view of the progressives. >> i think it's a problem. president obama is a centrist democrat whose policies are consistent with that. i think it's important for progressives and liberals to continue to agitate for issues that are important to them as opposed to being a cheerleader for president obama. i don'
you saw wayne lapierre this weekend talking on fox news, and chris wallace was the only person who i've seen really go at wayne lapierre and talk to him person to person about what the flaws in his argument are. short of that you very rarely hear them get put on the defensive in a way that makes other people cringe and perhaps their own membership think they've done this for a long time. they're going to continue to do it for a long time. they're willing to fight to the last left person....
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they have romney, sarah palin, even fall right people like allen west and wayne lapierre of the nra. is this the new gop? the nra is invited, but not conserve tef gay rights groups. >> they are cosmetic changes. but i have to admit, the one that doesn't fit in this whole puzzle is romney. >> they're so confused, internally, that that's going to stumble them going forward. >> jonathan, exclude the conservative gay groups while welcoming people like wayne lapierre, doesn't that send the signal that they're not going to be there? >> i would argue it's the same old republican party. so by them kicking out, go proud, it's sort of the standard m.o. but by keeping out gays and lesbians, by keeping out african americans, the republican party is sealing its fate as a second tear party. and they won't go there because the republican party just isn't welcomed. >> i hope he doesn't need a drink of water while he's speaking. victoria and jonathan, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> ahead, a powerful story of giving back. a medical doctor who's fighting to hear the city where he g
they have romney, sarah palin, even fall right people like allen west and wayne lapierre of the nra. is this the new gop? the nra is invited, but not conserve tef gay rights groups. >> they are cosmetic changes. but i have to admit, the one that doesn't fit in this whole puzzle is romney. >> they're so confused, internally, that that's going to stumble them going forward. >> jonathan, exclude the conservative gay groups while welcoming people like wayne lapierre, doesn't that...
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more for you. >>> wayne lapierre, ceo of the national rifle association was at it again this weekend. asserting the congressional efforts to institute a universal background check are really a secret plot to confiscate american guns. >> this so-called universal background check that you're hearing about all over the media and from president obama and some of the other politicians in washington is aimed at one thing. it's aimed at registering your guns, and when another tragic opportunity presents itself that registry will be used to confiscate your guns. >> eric, you know what the working phrase there is. when a tragic opportunity presents itself because that's what the nra is looking for in order to sell more guns. >> that's right. if i were the drug cartels and the mob, i would be giving to the nra because he is their best friend. >> yeah, he is. >> he is putting guns in the hands of everyone he can, and then as we heard in the clip earlier, he is saying, well, now we've given the guns to the bad guys, so you better get your gun too because it's all-out warfare. >> in 1999, which se
more for you. >>> wayne lapierre, ceo of the national rifle association was at it again this weekend. asserting the congressional efforts to institute a universal background check are really a secret plot to confiscate american guns. >> this so-called universal background check that you're hearing about all over the media and from president obama and some of the other politicians in washington is aimed at one thing. it's aimed at registering your guns, and when another tragic...
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should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defeated. it happened to democrats in 1984. it happened to the republican neocons on 2006. it happened in the off-year elections back in 2010. americans thought demo
should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how...
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your article details how wayne lapierre took the nra from a group that represented gun owners not one supported by and supportive of the gun industry. can you explain to the viewers the element of money that's in play here? >> well, the nra is a dark money group. it doesn't have to disclose its dono donors, but apparently it's good pr for a number of gun makers to be affiliated with the nra. that we know about that the nra has disclosed we know about millions. they have the golden ring of freedom and they have access to wayne lapierre and help shape policy. >> the yoshths has a wonderful piece on how a brilliant marketing campaign has made thea r-15 is best selling gun while slate recently estimated that assault rifles represent a half billion dollar industry. now, just to be clear, this isn't about children. this isn't about the second amendment for the nra. this is about corporate profits, isn't it? it's about making money for gun manufacturers. >> that's right. and i would commend tim's article to everyone. it's a superb piece. it's a very important piece. i think you put your fing
your article details how wayne lapierre took the nra from a group that represented gun owners not one supported by and supportive of the gun industry. can you explain to the viewers the element of money that's in play here? >> well, the nra is a dark money group. it doesn't have to disclose its dono donors, but apparently it's good pr for a number of gun makers to be affiliated with the nra. that we know about that the nra has disclosed we know about millions. they have the golden ring of...
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>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always believed ideologically. i just have always believed in winning. >> yeah. >> maybe it's because i go to university of alabama. we like to win at the university of alabama. we believe in winning. we believe you don't get the ball and run it into the other guy's end zone. you try to win games. this republican party is chasing the most extreme element in their own party through the primary processes, and that's why harry reid right now is running the senate. >> but there are -- i mean, you saw the front page of the business section of "the new york times"
>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always...
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and also wayne lapierre. this is very important. because if you look at the profiles of all the people that committed these mass murders in newtown and aurora and across -- virginia tech, they are all hispanic drug gang leaders. and that's exactly what wayne lapierre said in an op-ed that americans need to buy guns because those latin americans are coming to america, and they're going to kill you people. this is who a lot of republicans in congress are thinking about falling off -- don't do it. don't hurt our party anymore. let wayne lapierre go wherever he wants to go. he's going to destroy the party. we're going to talk about the crazy op-ed has horrible for our party's image, horrible for the conservative movement's image, goes against everything ronald reagan stood for. we'll talk about that in a minute. first, breaking news. this is bizarre. the feel-good story of the olympic games involved in possibly murder. >> this was a total jaw-dropper this morning. oscar pistorius, for those people who don't know, is a south african runn
and also wayne lapierre. this is very important. because if you look at the profiles of all the people that committed these mass murders in newtown and aurora and across -- virginia tech, they are all hispanic drug gang leaders. and that's exactly what wayne lapierre said in an op-ed that americans need to buy guns because those latin americans are coming to america, and they're going to kill you people. this is who a lot of republicans in congress are thinking about falling off -- don't do it....
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like the world that wayne lapierre describe at the group's 2012 annual meeting. >> we know that our government lies and shrouds the truth about the very real threats to our lives and our way of life. we know our government knows how vulnerable we are to terrorist attacks that could freeze our transportation systems black out our cities, shut down the distribution of fuel and food, and lead to perhaps months of unprecedented elimination of social order. >> john: that was not a david lynch film. now with lots of him from its corporate allies in the firearms business, the nra has so altered the climate for gun-controlled measures that la pierre no longer makes comments like this one, after the 1999 columbine school massacre. >> we believe in absolutely begun-free zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. [applause] that means no guns in america's schools, period, with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel. >> john: contrast that bit of sanity with this notorious comment from lapier year after the december's sandy hook elementary school massacre. >> i call on con
like the world that wayne lapierre describe at the group's 2012 annual meeting. >> we know that our government lies and shrouds the truth about the very real threats to our lives and our way of life. we know our government knows how vulnerable we are to terrorist attacks that could freeze our transportation systems black out our cities, shut down the distribution of fuel and food, and lead to perhaps months of unprecedented elimination of social order. >> john: that was not a david...
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. >> wayne lapierre hit the sunday show circuit and taken to task over the ad asking obama's daughters protected by guns at school. why isn't your child? >> the point of that ad was this. it wasn't picking on the president's kids. the president's -- >> it mentions them. >> they're safe and we're all thankful for it. >> they also face a threat that most children do not face. >> tell that to the people in newtown. tell that -- >> do you think that the president's children are the same kind of target as every school child in america? that's ridiculous and you know it, sir. >> even the xherms last night with the gun debate. >> the nra once supported background checks. america can do this. for us. please. >> starting with michael sheer for "time" magazine. welcome. >> thank you for having me, toure. >> one of the things that the senate is proposing a curbing sales in states with relaxed laws to buyers in states with tougher laws. this is not something that the president's been pushing already. sounds interesting. how exactly would they go about doing that? >> i'm not sure the details of how
. >> wayne lapierre hit the sunday show circuit and taken to task over the ad asking obama's daughters protected by guns at school. why isn't your child? >> the point of that ad was this. it wasn't picking on the president's kids. the president's -- >> it mentions them. >> they're safe and we're all thankful for it. >> they also face a threat that most children do not face. >> tell that to the people in newtown. tell that -- >> do you think that the...
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what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro liberty, pro freedom party which i believe is part of what the nra platform is. second of all, if you look at states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, where we pick up a lot of democratic votes is on that issue where they do feel that obama and others are coming to take away their gun. that's why gun sales are up all across the country. >> do you think obama is coming to take away somebody's gun? >> well, you explain to me why gun sales are up in all these places, where there are very strong democratic bases. >> i wish you'd answer a simple quest
what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro...
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i want to actually applaud fox new's chris wallace for calling out wayne lapierre over the controversial ad that attacked the president for having armed guards for his daughters. take a look. >> did you really think that the president's children are the same kind of target as every school child in america. that's ridiculous and you know it sir! >> jennifer: i love that. someone at fox news actually caring about the truth. that is to be applauded. congratulations chris wallace. doesn't real jurnallism feel good? the senate agreed to advance legislation reauthorizing the violence against women act. as you remember last year that violence against women act died in the house, the bill, after republican leaders objected to adding provisions that would expand protections to the lbgt community and immigrants, but today the motion to proceed passed. final passage is expected in the senate sometime this week, but then it goes to the house to be dealt with, so we'll see what happens there. and then finally, last story tonight. it has been more than 50 years since rosa bark's famously refused to gi
i want to actually applaud fox new's chris wallace for calling out wayne lapierre over the controversial ad that attacked the president for having armed guards for his daughters. take a look. >> did you really think that the president's children are the same kind of target as every school child in america. that's ridiculous and you know it sir! >> jennifer: i love that. someone at fox news actually caring about the truth. that is to be applauded. congratulations chris wallace....
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you have the ad with wayne lapierre then and now. what can we expect from the nra in response to that? i know you're not an insider behind the scenes, hogan, but how do you come back on tape saying one thing a few years ago and then stumbling through an answer now when it arguably is most needed? >> right. well, michael was right. that might be the only thing that could pass in this. there's democrats, obviously, pro-gun democrats like kay hagan in north carolina and mark pryor in arkansas probably a path of resistance for the president on some of these issues but the background check goes in to exactly what i was talking about. the background check albeit cumbersome for those that follow the law does have somewhat of a reputation of stopping criminals from getting guns. there will always be an element of citizenry criminals that go around the types of laws because they don't care about them in the first place. >> but the nra once supported it. >> you're right. >> mark, the hot water's not just on the nra. you have the mayor of minne
you have the ad with wayne lapierre then and now. what can we expect from the nra in response to that? i know you're not an insider behind the scenes, hogan, but how do you come back on tape saying one thing a few years ago and then stumbling through an answer now when it arguably is most needed? >> right. well, michael was right. that might be the only thing that could pass in this. there's democrats, obviously, pro-gun democrats like kay hagan in north carolina and mark pryor in...
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and the nra we have seen wayne lapierre acting like a fool. i think they are really concerned, because they whelded an amazing amount of power for who knows how long and they are seeing that slip through their fingers. they targeted seven candidates this past fall, and michael bloomberg purposefully challenged those seven of those candidates and he won five of the seven. >> stephanie: it's time to say the emperor has no clothes. they have no power anymore, right? >> caller: yes, i wish your republican politicians could figure that out and not live in fear of those guys any longer. >> stephanie: absolutely. be gone, you have no power here. wayne lapierre >> i think they'll turn this universal check of the law-abiding into a universal registry of law-abiding people. >> i don't quite understand what is so bad -- >> stephanie: no one does. >> you -- you register your car -- >> stephanie: right. >> people have a license plate that can be identified. >> stephanie: right, and a car isn't designed to kill. it can. >> theed in that the black helicopter
and the nra we have seen wayne lapierre acting like a fool. i think they are really concerned, because they whelded an amazing amount of power for who knows how long and they are seeing that slip through their fingers. they targeted seven candidates this past fall, and michael bloomberg purposefully challenged those seven of those candidates and he won five of the seven. >> stephanie: it's time to say the emperor has no clothes. they have no power anymore, right? >> caller: yes, i...
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and why even chris wallace has concluded that wayne lapierre is a little bit crazy. >>> and a bigger story behind the super bowl, the power outage, six words, if we only had a brain. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies...
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and why even chris wallace has concluded that wayne lapierre is a little bit crazy. >>> and a bigger story behind the super bowl, the power outage, six words, if we only had a brain. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. ll ally bank. your money needs an ally. do you guys ride? well... no. sometimes, yeah. yes. well, if you know anybody else who also rides, send them here -- we got great coverage. it's not like bikers love their bikes more than life itself. i doubt anyone will even notice. leading the pack in motorcycle insurance. now, that's progressive. call or click today. aarrggh! >>> this picture, of the president -- is now the subject of scrutiny by the skeeters, people who think this picture of the president skeet shooting is fake. i swear, sometimes politics -- i just can't -- real things, real things happening with gun control next. skeeters. [ female announcer ] today, jason is here to volunteer to help those in need
and why even chris wallace has concluded that wayne lapierre is a little bit crazy. >>> and a bigger story behind the super bowl, the power outage, six words, if we only had a brain. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. ll ally bank. your money needs an ally. do you guys ride? well... no. sometimes, yeah. yes. well, if you know...
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this is why wayne lapierre is just wrong. senator durbin had a hearing on the second amendment this week and he made or one of his witnesses made the point when you talk about cracking down on purchasers, that's a document issue. this is not about the second amendment, not taking away anyone's guns. it's just if you sign a document saying i'm the purchaser of the gun, it's just like any document you sign for a loan. if you are offense or straw purchaser, if you lie or a criminal, you're going to face a penalty. he's wrong. it's not always about second amendment. there's nothing obama has said that would make you think you're going to lose a gun. >> in that room there are people nodding their head yes. what can be said at this point to persuade those folks this is not a secret agenda or what wayne lapierre referred to as deception or manipulation? >> to be honest, i'm not sure blah can be said. the premise of his argument is false. if there's been a decade-long war perpetrated against the second amendment, i must have been sle
this is why wayne lapierre is just wrong. senator durbin had a hearing on the second amendment this week and he made or one of his witnesses made the point when you talk about cracking down on purchasers, that's a document issue. this is not about the second amendment, not taking away anyone's guns. it's just if you sign a document saying i'm the purchaser of the gun, it's just like any document you sign for a loan. if you are offense or straw purchaser, if you lie or a criminal, you're going...
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wayne lapierre testified last month that his organization represents some 4.5 million americans. the "washington post" fact checker took a look at that claim and give it one pinocchio. it took a look at the membership through how many people receive the magazine through subscription numbers, because people get free magazines from the nra, and the number is closer to 3.1 million, a very small percentage of the 70 million americans who say they own a gun. we're back after the break. [♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's the "stephanie miller show"! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ ♪ hey all right now ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ >> stephanie: it is the "stephanie miller show." welcome to it. it is amazing how many 12-star generals there are out there that are against any gun control of any kind. hello, stephanie i just strumabled upon your show. wow. >> i listen to both sides of the argument. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: okay. some people think we should have drones and tanks,
wayne lapierre testified last month that his organization represents some 4.5 million americans. the "washington post" fact checker took a look at that claim and give it one pinocchio. it took a look at the membership through how many people receive the magazine through subscription numbers, because people get free magazines from the nra, and the number is closer to 3.1 million, a very small percentage of the 70 million americans who say they own a gun. we're back after the break....
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i think the very special wayne lapierre has overreached and now it's contradicting what he said over the years. there's a great deal of pan iblg. the press conference that he did back in december, this is the first time they've been forced out to do something like that. now you see them just throwing everything at the wall to see what's going to stick and try to get their members fired up as possible. but they're having a hard time here. and it does not not seem like they've kind of figured out a good strategy yet. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. clarence page and michelle cottle, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> ahead, the obama playbook and why it's driving conservatives crazy. carl rove versus the tea party. it's getting ugly. democrats may sell popcorn for this one. and we have a new delusional conspiracy theory. here comes the skeeters. you can't make this stuff up. well, actually, they can. big show ahead. come on back. i was in the ambulance and i was told to call my next of kin. at 33 years old, i was having a heart attack. now i'm o
i think the very special wayne lapierre has overreached and now it's contradicting what he said over the years. there's a great deal of pan iblg. the press conference that he did back in december, this is the first time they've been forced out to do something like that. now you see them just throwing everything at the wall to see what's going to stick and try to get their members fired up as possible. but they're having a hard time here. and it does not not seem like they've kind of figured out...
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and tonight many of you are taking issue with the nra's wayne lapierre, who made up a story recently that south brooklyn was a hellish world, where looters ran wild in the aftermath of super storm sandy. on facebook, ingrid writes the man lives in his own world of violence and an impending apocalypse. linda bauer calls it fearmongering, the nra's constant ploy to sell guns. and kevin says lapierre's level of paranoid delusion underscores the need for tighter gun control. you can go to our facebook now and join in on the conversation. and don't forget to like "the ed show" when you're there. we appreciate that. >>> "hubris," the book and the documentary by the same name have ripped open new information on the lead-up to the war in iraq. david corn is here for more tonight, and we'll be right back. old mop. but don't worry, he'll find someone else. ♪ who's that lady? ♪ who's that lady? ♪ sexy lady ♪ who's that lady? [ female announcer ] used mops can grow bacteria. swiffer wetjet starts with a clean pad every time, and its antibacterial cleaner kills bacteria mops can spread ar
and tonight many of you are taking issue with the nra's wayne lapierre, who made up a story recently that south brooklyn was a hellish world, where looters ran wild in the aftermath of super storm sandy. on facebook, ingrid writes the man lives in his own world of violence and an impending apocalypse. linda bauer calls it fearmongering, the nra's constant ploy to sell guns. and kevin says lapierre's level of paranoid delusion underscores the need for tighter gun control. you can go to our...
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>> well, i think their main concern is that wayne lapierre will use it in his next hearing to argue that everyone ought to have a drone. >> jennifer: gee. >> like any good card-carrying liberal people have concerns, but is it because we trust obama before than bush? yes, yes we do. and i have had a surprising number of people check in, military people, military guys from afghanistan who said, look this saves soldiers lives, and i think we came out of such a dumb unnecessary war in iraq, when president obama said he's going to fight a tougher but smarter war on terror he has. it's absolutely a tough issue. >> jennifer: yes, i completely agree with what you have just said. i'm interested in karl's take on it. first of all i agree that we trust the president. if this was bush we would be up in arms because we would not trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minis. >> somebody today said that we took out blocks and blocks, that was not a targeted strikes. how many hundred of civilians in iraq did we kill? >> jennifer: karl, if there is this fight on the left, first of a
>> well, i think their main concern is that wayne lapierre will use it in his next hearing to argue that everyone ought to have a drone. >> jennifer: gee. >> like any good card-carrying liberal people have concerns, but is it because we trust obama before than bush? yes, yes we do. and i have had a surprising number of people check in, military people, military guys from afghanistan who said, look this saves soldiers lives, and i think we came out of such a dumb unnecessary...